Q:For many years now I ve been buying and using small motorcycle 6volt acid filled batteries for my engines with great success. Some of them have lasted for 4 to 5 years. They used to come with the acid seperate to be put in and then charged. The acid container usually had just enough to fill the battery and very little extra. Now for some reason they enclose enough acid to fill three to four batteries with a recloseable cap for storage if wanted. I got curious about all the excess and asked the manager of the auto department at a local Farm n Fleet store about this extra acid. His response was just use it to refill your batteries as the acid disapates. I was some what concerned with this response and asked if that was a safe practise? He said it was ok. I quess I was told many years ago that that could cause severe damage to a battery, may even cause it to blow up. Would like to hear everybodys response on this one.
thankyou in advance,
I was always told that the water evaporates not the acid.
A:This is one of the reasons why I use the batteries that are intended for computer backup power supplies.
They last forever, and are intended to be used slightly, then recharged, over and over and over again.
They are also small, and easy to carry. They are totally sealed so you can arrange them however you want.
The terminals are easy to connect to, and you never need to worry whether you have a strong connection.
Also, many companies throw these batteries out as a matter of course every couple of years. They are cheap enough to not warrant risking the backup of a company’s computers, but they are more than adequate for old iron.
A:It's very bad practice to top up a battery with acid. As a battery is charged it releases hydrogen and oxygen form the postive and negative plates. This is the electricity breakingdown water into it's component elements. This is where the water goes, along with a bit of evaporation. Hence, you should only top up a battery with distilled water to replace the lost water. If you top the battery up with acid you will slowly increase the concentration of the acid in the battery which will damage it.
A:All very true. However, a battery that's old, particularly one that's been allowed to sit partially discharged for some time, will develop sulfation of the plates. Normally the active material of both plates converts to lead sulfate as the battery discharges, then on charging it's converted back to lead dioxide (or peroxide, it's sometimes called) on one plate and spongy metallic lead on the other. But if the lead sulfate sits for long it crystallizes so it won't easily reconvert with charging. The battery loses capacity from this material that's effectively inert, and it also binds up sulfuric acid as sulfate and the battery can't be charged back to the normal electrolyte specific gravity if it's kept filled to the normal level with water. Thus it can't be charged to full voltage. I've managed to revive several such batteries for another season by charging them to full voltage (which can only occur with the electrolyte level considerably down), then mixing sulfuric acid to the normal specific gravity of a charged battery (1.280, I think) and topping up the electrolyte with it. You get a battery of reduced amp-hour capacity but normal voltage. Once. It's not something to do with a battery in an important application where failure would be a big problem. Sooner or later some of the crumbling sulfate debris will short out a cell and the battery's DEAD. New car batteries seem to usually die suddenly without the period of weak operation and rapid discharging we used to expect. Must have something to do with the plate structure.
A:The Moron who gave you that advice should be out looking for another job, as of yesterday!! To do that is DANGEROUS!
Reg & Marg Ingold.
Newcastle, NSW, Australia.
A:Thankyou very much Mark, that was what I had been taught way back in school while in shop classes.......I am 55 now and still remember that lesson, just thought maybe I had missed something over the years.
A:Ah yes Reg even the good guys from down under know lots too.....I thought I was forgetting something over the years, thanks for refreshing my keen memory. Damn dangerous if my techings were correct and yes I plan to discuss the issue with this guys manager....he is an old friend of mine and would want to know about wrong info given out to the stores customers.
A:I've got a couple of the Makita cordless drills which use the 9.6v rechargable battery. Since I've also got several extra batteries, I've started using those batteries for my engines.
There's a couple things I like about using the cordless drill batteries.
1. Super easy to recharge. The cordless drills come with a charger for the batteries and it is quick and simple to use. I find this a great feature compared to using other small size batteries which you often cannot charge with a regular automotive battery charger.
2. A single battery charge has been enough for a weekend show. Actually I really don't know how long I can run a engine off the cordless drill battery as I usually use a freshly charged battery for each show.
3. I also find the size and design of the Makita battery to be great. They easily fit inside a battery box and if a person took the time to make a socket for the battery to fit into then changing batteries would be super quick and simple.